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Please note that the proposed non-champ BARC race(s) at Croft on 1/2 Nov (see here) have now been added to the on-line Race Schedule. Please go to our Members Area and update your schedule to indicate whether or not you are interested.

NF chair on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 17:11:16

Teng Tools Competition:
Please note that a day's marshalling is a mandatory requirement for our 2009 "Teng Tools" award.  And that to be eligible those points had to be claimed by submitting the claim from to BARC before 6th September.  Our points table on our web-site has been updated to show all points thus claimed and only those drivers listed in our "Teng" tables are now eligible for it.
 
Anyone who wants to earn point toward their championship total has until this coming Saturday (13th Sept) to get their claim forms to BARC.  Note that all marshalling needs to have been done before 29th August to be eligible.
 
 



Nick Frost chairman at graduates dot org dot uk on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 17:05:32

As many of you already know I work for a company who sell safety equipment for race cars. I have been asked by a few people about FIA approved underwear for Spa..... As far as I am aware we will have to have full FIA approved fireproof underwear .......not sure how and if they will check it, maybe those of you who have been before will let us know.

Anyway just to say that if you need or would like to order any I will be happy to help. We only stock the alpinestars range of clothing at the moment. I have all the ZT gear in stock and can order anything that's not in stock. I will bring a selection to Cadwell for people to look at if interested.............I get my knuckles wrapped for giving discounts, but as I race with you lot and am part of the club, I am sure we can arrange a club discount! :)

I hope that I am allowed to post this on here. I just thought it might help some of you. If it's breaking any rules - I'm sorry!! check out my website for more details....

Thanks

Jen

Jen jen_msar@yahoo.com on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 16:57:38

Richard,
Yes. I am sponsoring Trevor's return to Classics. Hopefully he will win that and tie up Supers.
Tight Lines!

Fish Woman on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 16:34:43

thanks Andrew - :-) very subtle.
i'll see you at Cadwell!

MikeR mike.rowland@mdr-testing.co.uk on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 14:55:49

Trevor Newman in Classics @ Spa??

Richard Curry on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 14:54:44

Mike Rowland Click here..

Andrew Ennis on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 14:20:25

Anyone know where I can get some some Shell decals? With my red car, I think I've just worked out how to make sure I get a pot at Spa...

ChristoforoR on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 14:15:48

Thanks for that Nick. Was worried it was a 8am sign-on etc. I'll aim for mid-morning. Cheers.

Jonathan Miller on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 13:46:56

Sorry, to answer your question more precisely, what with signing-on and all that, I should think you should aim to be at Spa by Friday noon.

NF chair on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 13:26:58

The Friday untimed practice is optional (but paid for, even if you opt out). A few Members have camped in the paddock in the past, I think. But there's very little grass around!

NF chair on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 13:12:20

Cadwell hotel or b&b any recommendations? And before Coyote says it again, the Newbury Travelodge is booked.

JEB on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 12:59:27

Spa Questions - Is there Camping On Site? And the timetable says we are on track from 1.30pm on the Friday. Is there a start time we have to be there from on the Friday, as I may have to travel through the night due to work commitments.

TIA

Jonathan Miller on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 12:39:45

Spa entry status:
The full list is shown below.  I have written to all those on the Reserve list to remind them of the "rules" with regard dropping out, being upgraded, turning up in hope of a place becoming available, etc. etc.

But it would be a great help to all of us to know how many of those drivers with "full entries" are fully committed to going and how many may drop out (remember that anyone with a full entry can drop out and get a £400 refund, but only if there is still a reserve waiting to take your place).

You had to make your "on-line Schedule" entry "Definitely" in order to submit an entry for Spa, but you can now change it.  Please could all drivers with Spa "full" entries consider their position and perhaps alter their Schedule accordingly:
  • If you are committed to going to Spa, almost regardless, leave your entry as it is  - ie. Definitely (although I accept that some may be thinking "unless I trash my car at Cadwell," but let's just ignore that for now and hope it doesn't happen!)
  • If you are very probably going to go to Spa, but are not quite certain, please change your Schedule to "Very Probably"
  • If you entered "just in case" you decided to race, but are still unsure, please change your Schedule to "Don't know"
  • If you now think it very unlikely that you will go, please change your Schedule to "Very Unlikely"
 
Classics (8) Supers (31) Megas (26)
Adam Bettinson Fraser Andrews Martin Amison
Pete Cannard William Benjamin James Barlow
Charles Fitzhugh Edward Benson Matthew Burrows
Matthew Gillbanks Gareth Cordey Trevor Carvey
Jennifer Grace Charles Elliott Keith Chanter
Sheila Marshall Mike Fesemeyer Barry Chantler
Dave Marson Roger Ford Declan Dolan
Trevor Newman Chris Hart Jamie Ellwood
Andy Hawken Andrew Ennis
Tom Hayman-Joyce Chris Fox
Colin Jardine Peter Frith
Martin Kay Nick Frost
Reserves (in order) Jonathan Miller Nick Haryett
Oliver Benjamin SG Ian Northen Mark Heywood
Tom Overton MG Nick Pancisi Paul Hudson
Mark Harrison MG Mark Roberts Oliver Jackson
Yolande Humphreys SG Ben Rockey Tim Jump
Steve Humphreys SG Chris Rome George Longmuir
Bill Hombersley SG Damon Rosamond Paul Manyweathers
Flick Haigh CG Michael Rowland Dave O'Carroll
Robert Draper MG David Shaw John Parker
Martin Gee SG Neil Shinner Stephen Pattemore
James Potter SG James  Sibbet Kim Rayment
Jamie Champkin SG Andy Skinner Adrian Russell
Andy McMillan MG Gary Smith William Sharman
Hugh Smith Andrew Smith
Gareth Thomas
Paul Turley
Mick Whitehead
Rob Winrow
Kenny Young

If you are not on the above list, you have not entered!  It's never too late to join the Reserve list, but the chance of you now getting to race is not especially good!  Information recently received suggests that several of the reserves are intending to go, even if they are still classed as reserves at the time!


Nick Frost chairman at graduates dot org dot uk on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 11:49:06

Birket Any teams needing a driver, let me know! I might just know someone :-)

BishBirk on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 10:55:31

I believe 25s was 'drive through' equivalent - as there is now a question as to whether a drive through is appealable. In my mind, a lot of the issue comes down to as to whether KR should have given LH any room at all; which he clearly didn't in the second part of the bus stop.

Charles on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 10:34:05

FIA and Ferrari cheat consistently and have done for years. They don't like Dennis, and don't like MClaren. There was nothing wrong with that move. Kimi forced Lewis off. Lewis let him back past, Kimi then stuffed it off all on his own....there are many reasons that Lewis should not have been penalised. Its an absolute joke - and so blatant it embarrasses the sport, and us fans. I hope so much that Lewis wins it anyway - as it was stolen from him last year (another case of Ferrari cheating) As i said on the 'other' forum - the only hope is that Massa will bin it on his own because he is rubbish, and not deserving of a world title.

MikeR mike.rowland@mdr-testing.co.uk on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 10:12:16

Kimi seemed really unsure of what line to take at the end of the straight and that indecision cost him the place IMO. How did they work out where to put Lewis? Was it a 10 second penalty or the time equivalent of a drive-through. Or was it just a random penalty?

Bill on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 09:50:47

Now this it what Lewis should have done.......as well as paint his car red!!

Hungary

No FIA punishment

Jonathan Miller on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 09:39:36

Spa/Hamilton: I'm inclined to think we should wait for the outcome of the appeal - or am I ridiculously naive to think that the decision may be reversed? It seems clear to me that Hamilton had properly allowed Raikkonen back in front after short-cutting the "bus stop" but it is perhaps arguable that his subsequent move on Kimi into La Source three seconds later was all part of the same manoeuvre and that he thus took unfair advantage. Dunno. But I would have expected the FIA to take into account that a minute later KR had managed to get back into P1 and had thrown it into the wall all by himself - difficult to claim that this happened as a result of the La Source pass eight corners earlier...

But it's a good circuit, innit?

NF chair on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 09:34:07

Yeah, i'd agree with that. A drop down the grid at the next race would've probably been better, but would that have been seen as pro-Ferrari? It is Monza after all!

Dave Pearson on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 09:29:16

Dave agree with your comments, however, I'm not sure that the punishment fits the crime. And I'm a ferrari fan!

h_____ on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 09:20:18

Not wanting to poke my head above the parapet, but i thought the way Lewis just let Kimi past and then immediately re-took the place was very unfair. Kimi was obviously expecting to be unchallenged going into La Source, hence why he retook the racing line. And as for being "shoved off the track" by Kimi; Lewis had every chance to lift and slot in behind for the exit of the chicane. But no, he chose to cut the corner, gained an advantage, and then took the place immediately back. Very unsporting and for me, that is worse than any behind the scenes Ferrari bias.

BTW for the record, i hate Ferrari. Always have done, but i thought Lewis' move was particularly iffy.

Dave Pearson on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 09:16:51

This farce really does make you wonder how much cash The Italian Reds through at F1 officials Wine & Dine ETC, seems like the steam roller that is F1 is more like a political party than a sport with a governing body. Ron Dennis Fight on. One of the true gentleman of F1 and gets shot at by to many idiots and may we say Biased at the least supposed officials. Could you imagine this happening in Indy Car or Nascar! There would be a lynch mob at the gates. If they do not put an end to this very soon i can see McLaren & Mercedes walking away from the whole lot and who could blame them!. Ecclestone all though building a flagging sport into an empire has got to get control of this lot before all creditability is lost. The comments on American news and motorsport commentators last night just about sum up the situation “Is F1 run for Ferrari “

PT on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 07:30:53

Well it is a sad day as after 30-odd years of F1 spectating I think I have probably watched my last GP. With such blatantly corrupt pro-Ferrari stewards (not to mention the slimy dwarf) what chance does any team have against Ferrari.

JP on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 00:56:53

anyone know where I can get some ferrari red paint for Spa? reckon I could just park up in the pits and get a win!! ;)

Gary 'the italian' on Monday, September 08, 2008 at 00:45:25

...you would almost believe there is a conspiracy against Mclaren in F1, or at least a bias in favour of Ferrari, but obviously that can't be the case......!

Not in the least bit naive on Sunday, September 07, 2008 at 22:54:20

Lewis was robbed (imho) by the F1 mafia. Seems to me McLaren are pounced upon by the powers that be whenever possible. Lets hope he wins the title and has the last laugh at the circus.

BishJury on Sunday, September 07, 2008 at 22:01:27

Did they airlift that car into the garden or bring it through the house. Not sure my missus would be too keen on the latter.

Bunter on Sunday, September 07, 2008 at 21:44:11

Just got back from a fortnight's holiday (with sun!). Really pleased to see that we Classics have our own qualy and race. Thank you. The turnout for Cadwell also looks good for the Classics. Brilliant! Not sure that the two things are connected but, being an optimist, I would like to think so.

Dave, I note that they recommend an HPI check on the advert. Be interesting to see what it turns up!

PeteC on Sunday, September 07, 2008 at 11:53:43

Best garden ornament ever! Gnomes are soooo last year...!


Dave Pearson on Saturday, September 06, 2008 at 19:03:19

Has anyone got a spare windscreen that they would like to sell me? Preferably ont=e that can be brought to Cadwell. Thanks

Toby tobybriant@btinternet.com on Saturday, September 06, 2008 at 12:31:10

How the other half lives "... top end rebuilds (2K) and full rebuilds (4K) ... You can get away with an engine rebuild every 2 years I think although it is more common to do it once a year, more often if you're rolling in it ... Gearbox rebuild is around £350 and should last a season." A season?? Mine's not been touched in five years of racing! Sounds like some of those guys spend more on engine rebuilds than some of us spend on an entire year's racing.

Roger on Friday, September 05, 2008 at 21:32:14

The revised final were waiting for me when i got home.

That's brilliant! My favourite track (spa is on my to-do-list!) and the perfect quali/race scenario! Can't wait!

Dave Pearson on Friday, September 05, 2008 at 19:42:08

Cadwell timetable change:
If you have entered, you should soon receive a revised timetable in the mail from BARC which shows some slight changes (which have not, as yet, made it into BARC's on-line timetable):
- First practice at 9am is now Classics only
- Supers-only practice is at 9.50
- Megas practice brought forward from 11.10 to 10.45
- Supers qualy race (also for Megas, if necessary) is race 1 at 12.05 (20 min race)
Each of our classes' main races is re-timed for 25 minutes instead of 20 minutes (hurrah!)
- Classics-only race is scheduled for 12.40
- Supers at 14.45
- Megas at 16.00
Thanks to BARC for deciding to combine the two poorly attended MG races and thus gain the time for Supers(/Megas) to have a stand-alone qualy race and longer races for all.  (Note that the qualy race has not been extended)


Nick Frost chairman at graduates dot org dot uk on Friday, September 05, 2008 at 18:26:04

I am retiring then ! i cannot put my foot all the way down as i am unable to reach

P on Friday, September 05, 2008 at 18:12:18

Got mine too for Cadwell but shows first Quali race for Supers 20 Mins and rest 25 min ?

P on Friday, September 05, 2008 at 18:10:39

Just got my amended Cadwell finals. All races now 25mins.. looks like the classics and the supers are going to share the minutes we missed out on in Megas..

Andrew Ennis on Friday, September 05, 2008 at 17:59:29

Of course it took Dave and I a few years to learn how to put the pedal all the way down, it's just something all us rookies have to learn !

MatthewG on Friday, September 05, 2008 at 16:56:36

Loved that vid! LMFAO!!!

Dave Pearson on Friday, September 05, 2008 at 13:17:45

We could always ask him to become Honorary President of the Driving Standards Committee??? His technique seems flawless :-)

Jonathan Miller on Friday, September 05, 2008 at 13:08:59

Now I know why I'm not winning - you have to put the pedal all the way down!

Terry Palmer on Friday, September 05, 2008 at 12:59:35

Excellent clip Jonathan, and some very good advice for Grads rookies in there, I reckon!

Nick Frost chairman at graduates dot org dot uk on Friday, September 05, 2008 at 12:39:55

It would seem that Genghis Adolf Hippo Barlow will not be JEB's new son's name. So much for suggestions on a postcard... :-p

Coyote on Friday, September 05, 2008 at 11:57:20

Obviously you are all bored with your Caterhams - I have been inundated with excellent advise-Thank you all very much -I think I am now sorted -That's the power of Forum. Have a good one at Cadwell and hope the weather is better than today!!! Bob

Bob Wilson on Friday, September 05, 2008 at 11:46:28

Anyone used Dan Amon as a driving coach? Just been watching his videos, and he comes across as being pretty clued up

Dan Amon

Jonathan Miller on Friday, September 05, 2008 at 11:39:01

Bob, could you just keep a waterpistol full of screenwash under the dash?

Bill on Friday, September 05, 2008 at 11:25:23

Bob, my morris minor has a hand operated pump, try something like this here. Manual screen wash pump. only £10quid

h_____ (or hugh if you prefer) on Friday, September 05, 2008 at 11:03:44

...or just pop the screen out for the MOT. I've heard of people doing that if they fail because of a crack or stone chip....but then i am from Peterborough...

Dave Pearson on Friday, September 05, 2008 at 10:24:51

If its quiet in your office and your network connection is fast it's great to see this circuit again!

Mark H on Friday, September 05, 2008 at 09:59:19